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Nadine Dorries
Stolen Goods II
Posted Saturday, 9 May 2009 at 17:53

 

 

My concern with regard to the stolen disc has nothing to do with the issue of expenses – it’s one of privacy.

 

My personal details, including credit card numbers, bank account details, home address, signatures, family details and IDs have all been sold to the Daily Telegraph, and who else? Terrorists, pro-abortion extreme groups, Al Queda, BNP?

 

My home has already been 'flagged' by Bedfordshire Police , as a result of threats to my personal safety and that of my staff. Both the House of Commons Police, Met and Bedfordshire have had to deal with a variety of problems, including people turning up at the House, because that's where they know they can make contact with me.

 

That’s why I think it is an offence. I feel vulnerable and as though my privacy has been totally invaded. Anyone who wanted them could have had my expenses in July, I have nothing to hide. I just want the basic right to keep my personal details private. That and not wanting to have to move house, which I now feel I will have to do.

 
 
 
Anonymous said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
Nadine. I'm sorry your personal details are now available to all and sundry but I think MP's are partly to blame for this mess. They've fought for years to avoid disclosing what they're stealing from taxpayers and now that things are in the open we can all see why. The disclosure of MP details in July wouldn't have shown the full picture as much of the detail would have been de leted. Who paid who and how many homes you claimed for etc. As for the BNP getting your details. I doubt if they would be interested and in any case who was bothered when all their personal details were published online ?
 
 
Amanda said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
I see no reason why your personal details are anymore available than they were before. Anyone who seriously wanted your address could get hold of it. The Telegraph are not publishing personal details like this !! MP's have 'stolen' our money and that is the crime here. At the same time they have been trying to steal our 'freedoms' and 'personal identity'. If MP's had just published expenses themselves when told to do so last year, this would not have happened. If you have a complaint then direct it back at Westminster.
 
 
Anonymous said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
The publication so far, shows the unacceptable extent of the 'troughing'. Us taxpayers, hounded by HMRC to justify every £1 of claim, now learn of the extent that MPs have profited. Every one named so far has squealed "it's within the rules". At Nuremberg, the common excuse was "I was only obeying orders." Parliamentarians must realise that the public is now totally disgruntled.
 
 
Mike H said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
Having personal information like bank and credit card numbers made public is obviously a concern as is the possible compromising of your personal safety. But moving house sounds a bit drastic, doesn't it? Isn't it the case that if a group of people with serious intent to do you harm (pro-abortion activists, terrorists or whatever) *really* wanted to find out where you lived, it wouldn't be that hard, would it? Even the lone nutter with a grudge would be able to manage it. It would just require enough time, a bit of care and a lot of patience and persistence. I'm sorry that you feel vulnerable and that your privacy has been invaded, but this has all happened because MPs collectively have done *everything* they could to keep details of their expenses from public scrutiny. And while I accept that your reservations are all about maintaining your security and privacy, there are clearly many cases where your colleagues concerns are more about how the money was spent than matters of personal safety and privacy. Even when agreement was reached to publish the information, it was reached with so much apparent reluctance that there was a widespread belief by the public that the data would be doctored. The result was that such a head of steam built up that a leak became all too likely. The whole sorry saga could have been avoided if MPs had acknowledged the shortcoming of the expenses system and had agreed straight away to publish the data.
 
 
Angryvoter said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
When the government is able to not lose goodness knows how many details relating to those self same things as well as medical records Nadine, dear, I might have some sympathy for you.
 
 
Elizabeth said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
I can understand how upset and vulnerable you must be feeling right now. It doesn't seem at all fair that you should have to deal with this so soon after the 'smeargate' e-mails. I wouldn't have thought that Al Queda, the BNP or any other extremist group will have been sold your details Nadine. You say that the police have 'flagged' your house so take comfort from that. Nothing is going to happen to any of you - our police force is the best in the world. This is just another storm in a teacup my dear - so keep smiling! Warmest regards
 
 
OLIVER STOOPS said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
From an early age we teach our children morality. When a child goes to a birthday party, it is within the rules to enjoy the food and drinks provided. If a child was greedy and filled his pockets with sweets, we (non politicians) would see the problem and the potential danger straight away, and we would teach the child morality. We (non-politicians) would not encourage our children to be selfish and greedy, as you do. You and your fellow thives are 'miffed' only because you have been found out. You would have been happy to embezzle money (within the rules)forever. We all know this is true! Hopefully, many MP racketeers will be flung out by their electorate. You might be out!!
 
 
Brishank said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
I don't think the press are at all interested in publishing your credit card details or your home address. If your safety was really compromised then you would be afforded police protection - and probably at a far higher level than 'Joe Public' would get faced with the same level of threat. No, Mrs Dorries, your fears should be directed towards those MPs who are cynically raping the system and stealing *our* money, because it is they, by their very sleazy actions that are ultimately responsible for exposing you to nutters with a grudge. And the first commentator is right, where were all the shouts of uproar when the BNP's memebership list, complete with with their addresses, was put up on the Internet? I hope the Telegraph milks this scandal for all it's worth. I hope those MPs that know they have ripped off the spirit of the expenses system have many a sleepless night. I hope that eventually something clean and fair comes out of this whole sleazy episode.
 
 
Gary Farrimond said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
The Telegraph in my view have no interest in printing the private details of MP's banking arrangements nor their addresses. What they have done is expose a scandal that is in the public interest. At a time of recession when ordinary people are having to struggle to make ends meet or are losing their jobs our elected representatives are having a jolly. Mere mortals like myself have to pay for furnishings, mortgage interest and living expences from salary. Alas those that have lost their jobs and now find themselves on benefits can't get immediate help. Why should MP's be any different? Why should we have waited till July to view a version of MP's expence claims? When you put yourself forward as a candidate you should have realised you would be in the public eye, anyone whom wanted to trace your address could do so but that is not the issue here, further what possible advantage is to be gained from publishing your or any MP's banking details? Sorry these concerns do not address the fact that MP's of all parties are on the make and that it is the voters that are having to stump up for this and that ordinary people are angry what about their concerns? Today I was canvessing for Conservative candidates in the Lancashire CC elections, this story has not gone down well on the doorsteps and to raise your concerns about privacy when people are under enormous financial stress is a joke I'm sorry but it is. If you have nothing to hide fine turn your anger to trying to find a solution to this and to connect with the concerns of ordinary people whom are rightly angry at the fiddle that is MP's expences
 
 
Brian Tomkinson said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
I am sorry but your response to this scandal seems increasingly hysterical. Are you sure you have nothing to hide? No doubt you are like the others and will say you have done nothing wrong and abided by the rules set by yourselves the MPs. It is distressing that so many MPs are so full of their own importance that they are still in denial about the way they have abused their own system and used taxpayers' money as though it were their own. Perhaps you and others might reflect on two quotations from Benjamin Franklin: "That is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else." "Money has never made man happy, nor will it, there is nothing in its nature to produce happiness. The more of it one has the more one wants."
 
 
Sam Knight said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
Brian.. why dont yyou sod off and terrorise your own MP and leave ours alone. As a cabbie I can tell you that not one of you guys in a siut gets out of my cab and doesnt ask for a couple of extra receipts to put through your expense. My son, who works in a oub has to bag check the staff every night because if he doesnt , they walk out of the pub with steaks and gateauxs and god knows what else. It makes me sick how everyone has become so fu**g pious> The trouble with all of you is your just envious. We have a great MP in Nadine and if you need her help she is better than any MP or doctor or anyone else I can think of. So back off and get yourself over to an MP who deseerves uour bullying criticim and leave ours alone.
 
 
H J McCraken said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
Mrs Dorries More than 50 years ago at University, the Dean of Faculty: Moral Philosophy said: “Write what you like, and say what you like, but you will be obliged within the rules of academia to justify and support your assertions. The first essay I ever wrote on the following question: Whilst walking down a desolate country lane, you find a watch. Discuss how you would deal with this matter, justify your answer in terms of moral philosophy. The purpose of the assignment was to introduce the concept of truth and justice. As many MP’s claim to have studied philosophy(ethics, truth, goodness etc) how can these people blindly steal when it would be clear to a child in junior school what is dishonest to take what does not belong to you. A child would know that the MP’s action is theft. How can MP’s justify what is, clear embezzlement. There is no excuse whatsoever for people like Eric Pickles, Keith Vas, Tony McNulty, Jacki Smith and the other shysters who seemingly have stolen taxpayers money. It is within the power of constituents to involve the police and have these criminals brought to book. In the United States they would have been indicted for fraud. I hope that these people are arrested and stand trial for fraud. Remember: Adolf Eichmann “I was following orders” (It was within the rules).
 
 
Logan said:
Responded: Saturday, 9 May 2009
As others have said, anyone really serious about finding your home address could discover it anyway in fairly short order, even if you moved. Footballers' home addresses are not published, and yet their houses are quite frequently targeted by burglars. Anyone who lives locally will notice a recognisable figure in any case; unless you're going to go out in disguise, I'm afraid total privacy of address for a public figure is simply impossible nowadays. I do have a degree of sympathy for the notion that MPs should be allowed a home life, and in principle wouldn't entirely object to addresses being published only in rough terms - the first half of the postcode seems a reasonable balance between privacy and accountability. On the other hand, the second-home "flipping" activity of some MPs is, I think, a matter of major public interest, and that would *not* have been revealed by the official publication in July; it absolutely depended on the Telegraph knowing specific addresses. As far as I am aware, they have not made them *public* in any case. As I say, I do accept that there are some genuine security concerns over publication of home addresses. However, MPs of all parties have handled this subject so badly, over a period of many years - the revolting attempts to exempt Parliament entirely from FoI being the worst - that the considerable majority of my friends (a politically diverse group) think it's your own fault, and that the public interest in the Telegraph's obtaining of addresses outweighs any security argument against.
 
 
Peter said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
If you were Joe Public, I'd have sympathy for you, but these last few months have shown how many MPs are out of touch with the public they are supposed to serve. Yes, you'll help us, so long as you are richly rewarded! I am so angry that MPs are claiming public money for things like oak beams, satellite TV, fridges, CGT, gardening, cleaning, third homes, fancy cushions, Phil Hope's BBQ - WTF is that all about?! - and so much more. Then, they go and bleat about how the data was stolen. I am so bloody annoyed. I could claim for stuff, but I know it would be refused because it's nothing to do with my job - and that's OK. But how some of you lot have the audacity to claim what you have is beyond me. I hear the system is changing, but I think dubious claims should be paid back.
 
 
ed t said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
I would like to add a comment to the excellent bunch you have already received. Through this blog you have made many fans and people like you very much. Hopefully this scandal does not affect you much. I cannot know quite your concerns about data, and I do sympathise with security concerns. However, if we look at the scandal unfolding, it relates mainly to property- specifically the development of portfolios of property using public money. You know that our problems in the last few years have arisen from the property market's dramatic expansion. What a terrible conflict of interest MPs have allowed themselves by developing a fixation with second and third home and more homes renovation. I think that the earlier the question of abuse is dealt with, the better it will be for all. Many people who had no such pretensions are suffering and will suffer the loss of jobs as a result in large part of the speculatory activities of the housing market. That some MP's have been using taxpayers money to buttress themselves in the property market just shows how culpable MPs are for their lack of oversight of the nationas affairs. I think the worse culprits, and those who have bent the expenses system to their own ends, should be fired from the Commons. I notice the stories about Sinn Fein- totally predictable abuse which no-one should have permitted. Bribing them to be involved in the political system can never be appropriate. But then there is much that was not appropriate for a government of commoners in the expenses system that New Labour helped to shape.
 
 
Anonymous said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
Nadine - You're absolutely right to be concerned. Most of the swivel eyed nutters who have commented have failed to see the point you are making. The House of Commons authorities had a duty of care under the Data Protection Act to protect access to the data - not allow it to be illegally sold - not just to papers but potentially ID fraudsters. This is not about fiddling - as the fiddling would have been revealed anyway in July. MPs' families and their personal details - separate from their expenses - deserve to have a modicum of privacy - irrespective of what the baying moronic mob say.
 
 
BrianSJ said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
From Tim Worstall: Under HMRC rules, expenses are taxed unless they are “wholly, exclusively and necessarily” incurred in the course of employment. MPs voted themselves a special tax break in the Income Tax Act 2003, which means they are exempt. How did you vote? So far as I can see, the Telegraph and/or leaker has behaved responsibly. Unlike almost every government agency that has data on me. Now you know how we feel.
 
 
Anonymous said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
To BrianSJ- Nadine would have found it very difficult to vote as she was not elected until 2005. Last Anon: It's a pity you have to resort to petty name calling to make a valid point.
 
 
Keith said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
It seems to me, Nadine, that you and the other 645 have rather misjudged to current mood of anger which is now rife in the country. You and your colleagues have voted yourselves rights and entitlements which no other person in this country is allowed. In my previous existence every expense claim I made had to accurate down to the last farthing...if not it was thrown out. Why should you be different? As to your personal details, as others have said, anyone with half a brain could have found those out in about 48 hours. Again, as others have said, now you know how we feel when our personal details are lost by government.
 
 
Anonymous said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
In response to the poster who called us ' swivel eyed nutters ' I'd like to say a few things. 1. I think most posters on here have been genuinely concerned about Nadine's data going missing. 2. The info published in July wouldn't have highlighted the flipping of homes to gain maximum advantage. Hoon's 4 homes and Blears 3 homes etc. This info wouldn't have been available withouth the change of address details. 3. The government informed me of the loss of my driving license details and armed forces pension details so I'm not surprised they lost the MP's expenses details. Wasn't there also a report of a child benefit disc going missing aswell with 20 million addresses on it ? 4. Why is this comment box so small ?!
 
 
Tony said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
Courtesy of Guido Fawkes +++ HMRC Official : MPs Will Be Investigated +++ Benefits in kind going undeclared and flipping primary residences to evade capital gains taxes will now be investigated according to a statement released by HM Revenue Commissioners. Listening to the politicians who lecture us on redistribution and tell us “it is right that those who have more, pay more” explain why they evaded capital gains taxes is going to be fun. Fun for Guido at least. In fact it is like all Guido’s Christmases have come at once. Smeargate and the total exposure of the reality of politician’s troughing, venality and lack of integrity is everything Guido has ever wanted. Finally, after four hundred and four years, the torture of the original Guido Fawkes is being avenged without resort to the rack. When they start jailing politicians old Guy will have been completely avenged.
 
 
HF said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
Nadine, the HoC is covering up the addresses which would hide some of the fraud. Please stop defending them.
 
 
Ron Hughes said:
Responded: Sunday, 10 May 2009
Would you please instigate a proposal that MPs only need refer to fellow MPs as 'honourable' if the latter have never had an expenses claim rejected by the Fees Office?
 
 
rmh said:
Responded: Monday, 11 May 2009
If yuo try and hide stuff, people then try and find it, by whatever means necersary. If this info was freely available, then this issue would not be a problem. All claims online within 14 working days of payment, showing the spending by each MP. And knowing where you live? Simple searches via 192.com and others will find you. And credit card details, please....... For sale anywhere....
 
 
SteveP said:
Responded: Monday, 11 May 2009
The expenses issue should be public domain. After all the expenses are paid by us, the public But the loss of personal information is far more worrying. How could anyone who has access to such information be able to release it into the public domain without the knowledge of their superiors? This a major security breach and is unacceptable in the commercial world so why is is possible in the House of commons? The bigger issue is not the expenses, that's just pigs feeding at the trough, but the inability of the civil service ,MPs and govt. to control the security of important information. In the commercial world there are huge penalties for losing information but in civil service and parliament it seems to be 'one of those things . Its a poor show all round. MPs on the take being being hanged buy their own incompetence to control the information that has ultimately caught them may e now they will realise that they are privileged to represent us and not the other way round. While doing this they might want to re-evaluate their data security too.
 
 
Julian Boulter said:
Responded: Monday, 11 May 2009
Except in July they would have been censored. We might feel sorry for you if Parliament had not been fighting this for so long. I used to think you were worth listening to. Sorry not anymore.
 
 
Disputin said:
Responded: Tuesday, 12 May 2009
As several have pointed out, having all personal details in one place is a bad idea. You have put yourself up as a public servant and we have every right to know where out servants live. As many commentators have pointed out, it really doesn't take much effort to find out where someone lives and if you now feel threatened you get some idea of how Tony Martin felt. You'll just have to rely on the police to protect you (which they will do specifically, not just in general like the rest of us). On the matter of stolen goods, did I hear cries of outrage when HMRC admitted buying a stolen disc from Lichtenstein? Or bullying foreign governments into handing over what was believed to be confidential information?
 
 
 
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